Drearyweather,
It's shown the leaflet written "Millions now living will never die". But you are right at this point, I "assumed" the speech was from the Millions, don't know for sure.
Ray Frankz
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Orwellian change of the history(Again)
by Ray Frankz inwell, this month's jw broadcasting had a curious piece of history class.
samuel herd was there, but i don't remember if it was him that presented it.
the theme was "how it was to be a jw in the years 1900.".
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September 7, 2017 Re: Donations for Disaster Relief Work
by wifibandit inseptember 7, 2017 to all congregations in the united states branch territory re: donations for disaster relief work.
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Whats that scripture that says something like when you see someone in need you just say go in peace without lifting a finger to help them ?
The WT doesn't give a f about the letter of James. The letter of James is full of practical advice and they rarely use these scriptures. Only to talk about the "danger of the bad talking" (when pp are talking against the elders) or to use the part to "call in the elders" to justify the authority to judge sins.
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September 7, 2017 Re: Donations for Disaster Relief Work
by wifibandit inseptember 7, 2017 to all congregations in the united states branch territory re: donations for disaster relief work.
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Ray Frankz
Please do not send donated clothing, supplies, or materials to branch facilities or to the disaster area unless specifically requested to do so by the branch office or the relief committee. This will ensure an orderly relief effort and the proper distribution of goods.
There are even wrong ways to show love for people who lost everything. 10x GB
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Orwellian change of the history(Again)
by Ray Frankz inwell, this month's jw broadcasting had a curious piece of history class.
samuel herd was there, but i don't remember if it was him that presented it.
the theme was "how it was to be a jw in the years 1900.".
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Well, this month's JW Broadcasting had a curious piece of history class. Samuel Herd was there, but I don't remember if it was him that presented it. The theme was "How it was to be a JW in the years 1900."
It is shown a silent film of a publisher in the 1900s going door to door to play a Rutherford speech. On first door, the householder reacts with extreme anger when he sees the face of the Judge on the disc cover. There's a poor attempt to do comedy when the publisher try to get the disc that got stuck in the door. On the second door a woman takes a tract but doesn't show much interest. On the last door a widower single father of two decides to let the publisher in because he had found her daughter's toy. The publisher plays the speech "Millions now living will never die" and touch the emotions of the widower because of the part talking about the ressurection.
I noticed some inconsistences. First, there were the JW letters and the full Jehovah's Witnesses on the publisher's car. Then, the "Millions now living will never die" speech. As we know, this speech was mostly made to back the to-be-failed prophecies about 1925. We also know the Bible Students had their name changed (unrequestedly) only in 1931. So it's pretty much unlikely that the post 1931 JWs were still playing the 'Millions' speech to the public, and if they were, it was before 1925 so they weren't JWs yet.
Anyway, who cares about historic accuracy in the GB?
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Free to sin but still cannot bring myself to do it
by sinboi inhave da'd myself nearly 3 months ago.
now i am part of this world but i feel myself the odd one out.
something inside me is still blocking me to do the things i have been longing to do while i was still a jw, such as attending birthday parties, sex, etc.... just last nite, i was on the way to attend a birthday party.
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Ray Frankz
If you still consider these things 'sins' you shouldn't feel bad for stopping yourself from doing it.
Not everything the ORG says is trash. Some things are very clear Bible counsels. JWs teach stealing is wrong. Will you start doing it just because the Org told you not all these years?
The difference is that now you can do it or not do it because of your conscience, not because of fear of being shunned.
PS: It's reported that Michael Jackson also felt very unconfortable when his friends celebrated his birthday when he was already a father, and notice that MJ never really BECAME a JW, so it's not surprising these mixed feelings from someone who had been totally involved in the movement.
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Christian Farm
by Ray Frankz inby the time i'm in this forum i suppose plenty of you have already made the obvious comparison between the wt and many totalitarian kinds of government.. based on the 1984 novel by orwell, a satiric comment about the socialist regime, it's amazing how it fits almost perfectly the history of the wt.. the farms= the christendom (mainly ruled by the roman catholic church).
the animal farm = the bible students group.
the pigs = the wt leaders in brooklyn.
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By the time I'm in this forum I suppose plenty of you have already made the obvious comparison between the WT and many totalitarian kinds of government.
Based on the 1984 novel by Orwell, a satiric comment about the socialist regime, it's amazing how it fits almost perfectly the history of the WT.
The Farms= The christendom (mainly ruled by the Roman Catholic Church)
The animal farm = the bible students group
The pigs = The WT leaders in Brooklyn
Old major = Russell. The wise theologian who laid the foundation for what would come to be.
Snowball = The board of directors appointed by Russell to take over the WT teaching when he dies.
Napoleon = Rutherford. The authoritarian leader who took over by means of a coup the control of the WT teachings.
The rules
In the book, the animals led by the pigs, right after get themselves free from human power, set a list of rules with the main objective to differentiate the freedom of the animals from the cruelty of the men. By the end of the story, the pigs, drunk with the power had already corrupted completely all the rules and the original dream of the animals. Some rules were:
1- whatever comes in Two legs = enemy
2 - whatever comes in Four legs, or wings = friend
3 - No animal must wear clothes.
4 - No animal must sleep in beds
5 - No animal must drink alchool.
6 - No animal may kill another animal.
7 - All animals are equal.
This is how it became after the pigs corrupted the farm:
1 - Walking in four legs is good. Two legs is better
2 - Walking in two legs makes you inferior.
3 - The pigs end up wearing clothes
4 - No animal must sleep in beds "with sheets".
5 - No animal shall drink alchool to excess
6 - No animal shall kill another animal "without cause"
7 - All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
Well, let's see how it fits with the WT history. First, let's take some conceptions the Bible students had in their beginning (until the end of IXX century):
1 "The Bible is the only source of truth. We don't have any other source like the Catholic church has its long list of doctrines made by men."
2 "The ransom is the main point of the Bible."
3 "All who show to have faith in Christ's rasom is a christian brother or sister. We don't consider people who differs from us in some points of the bible as not christians, like the RC church does towards the protestants."
4 "A distinct name isn't necessary because religions only separate people, let's call ourselves just Bible students that what we are."
5 "It's important to meet privately with christian brothers to search the Bible for the truth. We are not like the RC church that leaves all research and interpretation to a few men in one point of the Earth, while the large crowd waits passively."
6 "Excommunication is anti-christian, we should show love and try to recover sinners, not shun them,"
7 "We don't need great buildings to worship, each christian may worship God anywhere, since has the right motivation. We are not like the RC church that has hundreds of sumptuous buildings in order to display power."
8 "We don't need anything visible to worship our invisible God. We are not like the RC church that makes its faithful ones dependent of their images and temples."
Well, after some time, let's see what it became;
1 "The Bible is the only source of truth. But without our faithful and prudent slave class, we can't figure anything out correctly"
2 "The ransom is the SECOND main point of the Bible. The main point is Jehovah's sovereignity. Doesn't matter that the sovereignity depends on the ransom to be fulfilled."
3 "Only Jehovah's witnesses are tru christians, so you may call brother or sister only them"
4 "JEEEEEHOOOOVAAAAHHHH'SSSS WIIIITTTTTNEEEESSSSEEEESSSS"
5 "If you start researching the Bible by yourself is because you don't trust the FPS, so you don't trust God, so you are the anti-christ. Go sleep, we can handle all this 'research' thing to you."
6 "Excommunication is anti-christian, disfellowshipping is something totally different. Oh, and we don't shun people without base. We normally spent soo much time questioning the accused because we don't want to make a decision in a hurry. We know it will affect all his or her life. That's why we spend until 3 hours on it."
7 "An excellent way to show the world you are a true christian is to come to work in the construction in our new headquaryters. It's soo beautiful and confortable. You may take a picture and stick it to the wall of your three-years-unfinished own house."
8 "Jesus would be lost without the Org."
Well, that's it guys. I'm totally thinking about making a similar satiric story about the JW history. I bet may JWs would buy, read, laugh and close the book without noticing it is about the ORG.
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How long until the WT takes advantage of Mexican earthquake?
by Chook init will be another money call followed by a reminder about how the end is imminent..
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Ray Frankz
A time ago they used to 'claim' to help not only the JW in the location hit. Nowadays, they make sure to put on the website 'help our brothers and sisters'.
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How Long it will take to the GB change the interpretation of the Beast as the UN?
by Ray Frankz ini just realized now, (ironically by checking on jw.org) that the echr (european court of human rights), the government agency that has been literally saving the jws to be banned in so many countries - and they are very thankful for that, as they say in their recent purple history book - is an agency of the un!.
as it is well known, the gb consider the un as a high-class enemy of god's kingdom, believing it is the beast mentioned in revelation.
this interpretation was totally from f. franz and n. knorr, this last one still being reagarded every now and then as the one who gave the speech with this "new light".
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Edit 4 > I think they didn't really care about deleting the article since there are plenty of them. You just have to type "UN" on the search engine of the website. It's incrible as there isn't anything about the UN as the "Beast" but all of them is about the UN taking the JWs side in questions of religious freedom.
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How Long it will take to the GB change the interpretation of the Beast as the UN?
by Ray Frankz ini just realized now, (ironically by checking on jw.org) that the echr (european court of human rights), the government agency that has been literally saving the jws to be banned in so many countries - and they are very thankful for that, as they say in their recent purple history book - is an agency of the un!.
as it is well known, the gb consider the un as a high-class enemy of god's kingdom, believing it is the beast mentioned in revelation.
this interpretation was totally from f. franz and n. knorr, this last one still being reagarded every now and then as the one who gave the speech with this "new light".
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Darkspilver, I just checked it again and I can't find the article anywhere in the website!
It was in that "BREAKING NEWS" part. The headline was something like "Russia bans the New World Translation. JW will appeal to the UN human rights comitee!
Edit> I just realized now that the UN human rights comitee isn't the same as the ECHR but it doesn't change the fact that they are appealing to it now.
Edit 2> I found one link that mention the UN
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How Long it will take to the GB change the interpretation of the Beast as the UN?
by Ray Frankz ini just realized now, (ironically by checking on jw.org) that the echr (european court of human rights), the government agency that has been literally saving the jws to be banned in so many countries - and they are very thankful for that, as they say in their recent purple history book - is an agency of the un!.
as it is well known, the gb consider the un as a high-class enemy of god's kingdom, believing it is the beast mentioned in revelation.
this interpretation was totally from f. franz and n. knorr, this last one still being reagarded every now and then as the one who gave the speech with this "new light".
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I just realized now, (ironically by checking on JW.ORG) that the ECHR (European Court of Human Rights), the government agency that has been literally SAVING the JWs to be banned in so many countries - and they are very thankful for that, as they say in their recent purple history book - is an agency of the UN!
As it is well known, the GB consider the UN as a high-class enemy of God's kingdom, believing it is the beast mentioned in Revelation. This interpretation was totally from F. Franz and N. Knorr, this last one still being reagarded every now and then as the one who gave the speech with this "new light". (actually their prophecy that the League of Nations would ressurge as the UN made then very proud of themselves when it actually happened and it was frequently used as proof that "God was leading the ORG")
The most important point in their contraditon is that, according to the book of Revelation, the sin of the nations would be that they would trust their "salvation" to the beast (the UN) instead of to God. Every time the nations used the UN to try to bring peace or solve conflicts (good motivated reasons) the Society criticized it, as being an example of the nations "worshiping the Beast". Well, now we are seeing the JW often being threatened of being banned (sometimes for prejudice but sometimes for actual reasons as the blood question, disfellowshiping or their total control of the members' lives) and instead of an miraculous act of saving from Jehovah, they are begging the help of the ECHR, which is part of the UN, to save them. They are simply and clearly worshiping the Beast.
What is crazy is that if they are right about their own prophecy interpretations, they are going out of God's favor.
But, let's be honest. We know what is going to happen. In some years a "new Revelation book" will be released in a convention, containing "new light", in what will show the UN as in the good side (probably as the "Earth swallowing the river of persecution") and the Beast being an enemy more recent (maybe the totalitarian regimes).
What are your bets?
Edit 1 > I just realized now that the UN human rights comitee isn't the same as the ECHR but it doesn't change the fact that they are appealing to it now.
Edit 2> Looks like they deleted the post that mentioned the UN HRC. It was the one about the NWT ban on Russia
Edit 3> I found one link that mention the UN